Eww, this is creepy. The Guardian has published a piece by Timothy Radcliffe sinisterly trying to say, without giving any real reasons, that religious opposition to gay marriage is not homophobia. It's a cavalcade of nonsense. Here's why, line-by-line:
"It is heartening to see the wave of support for gay marriages."
Yeah, shame the church is still a hotbed of bigotry.
"It shows a society that aspires to an open tolerance of all sorts of people, a desire for us to live together in mutual acceptance."
Tolerance and acceptance? I want to live in a society that does not tolerate or accept bigotry of any kind. Including that kind that comes, as it so often does, from organised religion.
"It seems obviously fair and right that if straight people can get married, why not gay people?"
Yes it does. Because it is. The article should end here.
"But we must resist the easy seduction of the obvious."
We must also not forget Occam's razor. If it looks like bigotry and it smells like bigotry... it's probably bigotry.
"It once seemed obvious that the sun revolved around the Earth..."
Not wholly true, but it was science that showed the earth revolves the sun, not religion.
"...and that women were inferior to men."
This is still "obvious" to millions of people around the world, and almost always because religion teaches that it's true and that it should be perpetuated by denying women their basic rights.
"Society only evolves when we have the mental liberty to challenge what seems to be common sense."
Yes we should challenge things that seem to be common sense, but we shouldn't reject them outright unless we find compelling evidence. Doh.
"Many Christians oppose gay marriage not because we are homophobic..."
No - thinking gay people should have less rights than straight people IS homophobic.
"...or reject the equal dignity of gay people..."
If people have equal dignity, they probably ought to have equal rights.
"...but because "gay marriage" ultimately..."
Putting it in quotation marks is stupid and offensive. If gay people get married, that is, or would be, gay marriage.
"...we believe, demeans gay people by forcing them to conform to the straight world."
No it doesn't, unless you plan to make gay marriage compulsory. It gives them the option of having what others have and also all the other options straight people have, live living together, dating, being single, having group sex, whatever. And marriage wouldn't be part of the "straight world" if we made it available to all. And there's no such thing as the "straight world", we live in the "real world".
"Richard Sennett of the LSE argues in Together, the Rituals, Pleasures and Politics of Co-operation, that western society fears difference."
All human beings instinctively fear difference because we don't fully understand people who aren't like us. This is the root of intolerance, we need to overcome it. One of the main barriers to that is organised religion. Organised religion almost always teaches that anyone who doesn't live a certain way and believe a certain pile of nonsense is going to be punished for it, often violently and torturously.
"Because of growing inequality and a fluid society in which people move rapidly from one job and place to another (if they can get a job at all), we do not learn the art of living with people who are unlike us."
Actually in the West we live in a more mixed culture than at any time in history.
"We are highly tribalised."
No we used to be tribalised. When we lived in tribes. That's where the word comes from. Yes there are remnants of tribal living around still but in general we no longer live in tribes.
"He asserts that "tribalism couples solidarity with others like yourself to aggression against those who are different"."
Not always true in some ways. Historically tribes would only have been "like-minded" because they were blood-related and because infants were communally raised by elder tribe members who passed on values. It's likely many people in tribes disagreed with tribe leaders or felt they were different to other members. But often they may have kept quiet because falling out with the rest of the tribe meant great personal risk. It's unlikely they knew how individuals in other tribes felt about issues, and in some cases tribes co-operated and in others they fought or competed.
"The internet enables us to bond with like-minded people."
And yet here I am reading your twaddle Tim! But good - if I can reach out to others who also hate bigotry, I'd like to do that.
"If we disagree, we can disengage in a second."
Which is much better than having a war isn't it? Would it be better to force people to live full time with people they don't actually get on with? Also I've never "disengaged" with someone online because of their sexual orientation. Nor would I.
"Zygmunt Bauman argues that the mobility of modern society encourages "the impulse to withdraw from risk-ridden complexity into the shelter of uniformity"."
Well we certainly can use the internet to find others whose opinions we agree with if we want. And that's a brilliant thing for people who feel different to those around them and may be being bullied or having their needs and feelings ignored. This would include gay and trans people as well as, for example, those trapped in religious communities who do not believe supernatural nonsense.
"Tolerance means, literally, to engage with other people who are different."
Engage with them by fighting to deny them the same rights as you?
"It implies an attention to the particularity of the other person, a savouring of how he or she is unlike me, in their faith, their ethnicity, their sexual orientation."
Remind me to go round savouring how others are different to me in their ethnicity. Mmmm, a brown person... How the hell does this work? Or savouring their different sexual orientation. Mmmm, boy-on-boy action, tasty. Gay men and women don't want to be savoured by creepy old religious dudes, they want to be treated equally by everyone and by the law. And when it comes to your homophobic faith, excuse me if savouring it doesn't leave rather a bitter taste.
"A society that flees difference and pretends we are all just the same may have outlawed intolerance in one form, and yet instituted it in other ways."
But we are all different - some people want to marry in their 20s, others in their 80s. Some want to marry more than once, some never at all. And some people want to marry someone the same sex as them. We're not pretending everyone is the same, we're insisting everyone should have the same rights. To describe legalising gay marriage as "instituting intolerance" is real double-speak.
"It says, "we shall tolerate you as long as you pretend to be just like us"."
But gay people don't need to pretend to be "just like us". They are "just like us". In fact they are "some of us". Doh!
"We put up with various religious faiths as long as they are confined to the private sphere, or reduced to decorative role."
Actually we go to enormous lengths to encourage religion. If churches paid tax none of the recent welfare cuts would be necessary at all. And we allow religion into our schools and public services, even into taxpayer-funded roles in our hospitals and armed forces. It's disgusting and it needs to stop now, especially since the church persists in pushing it's homophonic agenda in all of these places.
"At Christmas, a tree, and a menorah for Hanukkah."
The tree is pagan by the way and has everything to do with culture and toss all to do with religion, as do the presents under it.
"Religious conviction, if it impinges on the public sphere, is viewed with a mixture of fear and derision."
Well it does impinge on the public sphere. Twenty-six unelected all-male Church of England bishops sit in the House of Lords and influence the laws that affect the rest of us. And yes of course it meets fear and derision because we want our laws to be based on fairness and human rights, not outdated bigoted supernatural nonsense.
"And so it is both true that modern Britain is a model of multiculturalism, and also that we drift around in a fog of mutual ignorance."
While cheese IS NOT chalk, we also note that cheese IS chalk. We're not a model of multiculturalism, we get it right sometimes, and we're not drifting around in a fog of ignorance, we get it wrong sometimes. Like for example right now some bigot is writing in The Guardian about how we shouldn't allow gay marriage. And as for "mutual ignorance", yes there are probably a small number of straight people in the UK who are to some extent ignorant about the gay community but I fail to see how there are gay people who are ignorant about straight people. That is the privilege of being the vast majority of the population.
"Cardinal Basil Hume taught that God is present in every love, including the mutual love of gay people."
Well I thought I might be drifting around in a fog of ignorance about the gay community I'd definitely ask Cardinal Basil Hume for his opinion. That's definitely a better idea than asking someone who actually is gay. And thanks Basil, I'll bear that in mind while I fuck other atheists.
"This is to be respected and cherished and protected, as it is by civil unions."
Respected so much that gay people aren't allowed to use the same words or legal documentation as straight people, nor hold their ceremonies in the same buildings. How is that "respect"? And why should anyone "cherish" having less rights?
"But to open up marriage to gay people, however admirable the intention, is ultimately to deny "the dignity of difference" in the phrase of the chief rabbi, Jonathan Sachs."
Eww, don't quote Jonathan Sachs at me. I met him once. Horrible bigoted man. (And I think I may have said that!) And "the dignity of difference", really? The dignity of unequal rights? The dignity of "not quite the same"? The dignity of "don't use our special word for it"? With all due dignity - fuck off.
"It is not discriminatory..."
Yes it is. Denying equal rights is discrimination.
"...merely a recognition that marriage is an institution that is founded on a union that embraces sexual difference."
Marriage is an institution founded on male control over women. Historically men could marry several women and have concubines, etc too. Women had little or no say in the matter. Love was not really a factor in a lot of historical cases, it was much closer to slavery. The meaning of marriage has constantly evolved for the better. And anyway Christmas trees are FOUNDED on pagan worship, so why aren't you campaigning to bring that back?
"It is not a denial of the equality of the love between two gay people, for all love is of infinite value."
If love is of infinite value then it must be worth more than the church's petty outdated ideas, no?
"A society that fears difference and does not engage with it will ultimately fall into intolerance."
So if we allow gay marriage, this will lead to intolerance. So being tolerant will lead to intolerance. Have you read 1984 Tim?
"Real conversation with people who are different is frightening: it changes how you view your own identity."
Yeah the last time I spoke to a gay person I totally shit myself. Not.
"In his book on Dostoevsky, Rowan Williams quotes Mikhail Bakhtin: "Dialogue ... is not a means for revealing, for bringing to the surface the readymade character of a person; no, in dialogue a person not only shows himself outwardly, but he becomes for the first time that which he is – and we repeat, not only for others but for himself as well.""
Note how directly after he calls for conversation between people who are different he then quotes another straight white bloke's book about yet another straight white bloke. Not one woman, non-white person, gay or lesbian, transperson, etc has been quoted or even mentioned in this whole article. And you think the rest of us are scared of difference?!! I guess asking a gay person's opinion would be too frightening huh? But hey, I'd be scared of gay people too if I was a bigot.
"An easygoing tolerance, rubbing along beside each other without much curiosity, is not enough."
Tolerance is a bloody good start. And equality in terms of marriage is a step on the road to equality. And if your level of curiosity about the gay community is so strong that you sought out the opinions of three straight white men: a Rabbi, a Cardinal and a former Archbishop? I'd hate to see how you do research on dogs, probably by asking cats, or newts. And again you seem to be implying that gay people for the most part just muddle along without interacting with straight people. But they don't, they can't, because straight people are bloody everywhere and run everything.
"We need to recover a confidence in intelligent engagement with those who are unlike us, a profound mutual attention..."
So go on. Ask a gay person if they want to be "equal but different", if they think marriage is "founded on sexual difference", if they want less rights than you. Hint: they don't!
"...otherwise we shall crush a life-giving pluralism."
Yes "pluralism", what a lovely word for "inequality". Remember the good old days when South Africa had "pluralism" for black people? No nor do I because apartheid was just discrimination!
"It will not only be gay people who will suffer."
But lets be honest, when gay people have less rights, it is MOSTLY gay people who suffer.
"We shall all be the poorer."
This whole article doesn't suggest one single way in which anyone shall be "the poorer" for living in a society that recognises gay marriage. The point seems to be that we should reject gay marriage because it might discourage some people from engaging with those who are different to them? On the contrary it will highlight how similar we all are, in that we are all human beings. Gay marriage will actually lead to more engagement, especially between gay people who love each other! Plus it will make it really obvious which churches (Unitarians, Quakers, etc) are open minded and enthusiastic about being a part of gay people's lives and which ones (CofE, Catholic) are going to continue to support bigotry.
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Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Sunday, August 12, 2012
In need of a closing ceremony for sexism!
Oh dear, I wasn't planning to watch the Olympics closing ceremony but I rather enjoyed most of the opening ceremony and circumstances have brought me here. Now during the opening ceremony we saw a piece about the NHS. It wasn't about big pharmaceutical companies, presumably because while they do distribute some useful and effective drugs they also have a poor track record of pushing drugs on those who don't really need them and charging too much to those whose illness, or perceived illness, may have made them easy targets. But somehow in the closing ceremony there's a big celebration of the fashion industry. Does the fashion industry do ANYTHING other than tell women they need more and different overpriced clothes? Does it not just generate need by encouraging people, mostly women, to feel bad about their appearances. Does this not indeed lead to recognised medical conditions like anorexia and body dismorphic disorder?
Big pharma might be horrifically corrupt but at least they do some good for some people. Does big fashion benefit anyone? Third world workers in garment factories are notoriously mistreated. The average Briton has about ten years "worth" of clothes in their wardrobe. It would be better for us all if we closed the whole industry down and transferred those workers to pharmaceutical companies work on developing new medicines and treatments. Or better still get them working in the NHS, and start properly funding medical research in the UK so we don't leave it all in the corrupt hands of big pharma... How is this not obvious?
Now of course my outrage has been ignited a bit further by the arrival of Russell Brand. It's a matter of hours since he (allegedly) horrifically sexually harassed a woman. His track record on the matter is less than great.
...And now two male singers are onstage in suits and jackets next to Jessie J who is dressed in a flesh-coloured catsuit which makes her look basically naked. I'm all FOR nudity, but lets just have men and women nude please, otherwise it's creepy and presents women as sex objects.
Maybe they were inspired by the sexism of having only the men's marathon winner being given his gold by the big cheese. Interestingly as the winner was Ugandan, footage must now (I assume, wasn't shown) exist of David Cameron and Boris Johnson standing up for the national anthem of a country where homosexuality is illegal. Much as I lack respect for the Lib Dems, it does make me rather wish Brian Paddick was Mayor of London.
Oh hang on - here's Eric Idle. Brilliant, how fun and cheering. And nicely atheist too, bit like John Lennon's Imagine earlier. I'm starting to forgive them. Oh what's that behind him? A row of women dressed as angels in bikinis. Facepalm.
I had better sign off before they get Jim Davidson on!
Big pharma might be horrifically corrupt but at least they do some good for some people. Does big fashion benefit anyone? Third world workers in garment factories are notoriously mistreated. The average Briton has about ten years "worth" of clothes in their wardrobe. It would be better for us all if we closed the whole industry down and transferred those workers to pharmaceutical companies work on developing new medicines and treatments. Or better still get them working in the NHS, and start properly funding medical research in the UK so we don't leave it all in the corrupt hands of big pharma... How is this not obvious?
Now of course my outrage has been ignited a bit further by the arrival of Russell Brand. It's a matter of hours since he (allegedly) horrifically sexually harassed a woman. His track record on the matter is less than great.
...And now two male singers are onstage in suits and jackets next to Jessie J who is dressed in a flesh-coloured catsuit which makes her look basically naked. I'm all FOR nudity, but lets just have men and women nude please, otherwise it's creepy and presents women as sex objects.
Maybe they were inspired by the sexism of having only the men's marathon winner being given his gold by the big cheese. Interestingly as the winner was Ugandan, footage must now (I assume, wasn't shown) exist of David Cameron and Boris Johnson standing up for the national anthem of a country where homosexuality is illegal. Much as I lack respect for the Lib Dems, it does make me rather wish Brian Paddick was Mayor of London.
Oh hang on - here's Eric Idle. Brilliant, how fun and cheering. And nicely atheist too, bit like John Lennon's Imagine earlier. I'm starting to forgive them. Oh what's that behind him? A row of women dressed as angels in bikinis. Facepalm.
I had better sign off before they get Jim Davidson on!
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Thursday, December 30, 2010
Daily Mail Special: Gay Man Writes Homophobic Column!
Oh dear. This one should honestly come with it's own little paper sick bags. So time for a line-by-line.
"The Mail's ANDREW PIERCE is both adopted and gay. But that doesn't stop him saying... Why I'm repelled by Elton and his partner's grotesque selfishness "
"The title of an infamous fly-on-the wall documentary made in 1997 about Sir Elton John was Tantrums And Tiaras. It tells you almost everything you need to know about this showbusiness diva."
"The next he was threatening to walk out shortly before another sell-out concert. ‘I’m sick of these shows,’ he raged."
"In that film, Elton John came across as brilliantly talented — and deservedly so, for he is one of the most gifted musicians and performers of his generation."
"As far back as 2001 Sir Elton admitted that he was too old for fatherhood, He told the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet: ‘I have come to the conclusion that it is too late for me. Had it been 20 years ago, then I would definitely have done it. I don’t want to be 70 years old when my daughter turns 16.’"
"The warm public reaction to his civil partnership with David Furnish underlined his status as one of Britain’s most popular singers. He still tops the charts after a career spanning four decades."
"But those rules — honed over thousands of years — do matter."
"And Rule Number One is that, by and large, a child needs a loving mother and father."
"There was a survey published yesterday from the Prince’s Trust, which concluded that young men with no male role models in their lives, and women without a mother figure, are hugely disadvantaged in life."
"The Mail's ANDREW PIERCE is both adopted and gay. But that doesn't stop him saying... Why I'm repelled by Elton and his partner's grotesque selfishness "
Really? Are you Andrew? Is your best friend also black and has he granted to express permission to use the n-word? Sorry doesn't work like that. One of the things about equality is that even though you're both adopted and gay - you still might be a bigoted scumbag. Or worse - you could even be a columnist for the Daily Mail...
"The title of an infamous fly-on-the wall documentary made in 1997 about Sir Elton John was Tantrums And Tiaras. It tells you almost everything you need to know about this showbusiness diva."
It's a film. Made by a documentary maker (called David Furnish) - no-one thinks a documentary where he just pops out for milk and watches Midsummer Murders is going to make it to TV. At best it presents a tiny snapshot of his life and at worst it's essentially a carefully-planned publicity stunt.
"One minute he was flouncing off a tennis court in the south of France and demanding a private jet home because a fan had the temerity to greet him publicly."
"One minute he was flouncing off a tennis court in the south of France and demanding a private jet home because a fan had the temerity to greet him publicly."
Flouncing? Is that a homophobic word for "walking"? And he was upset, he left the tennis court and said he wanted to go home.
"The next he was threatening to walk out shortly before another sell-out concert. ‘I’m sick of these shows,’ he raged."
And is a pop star not allowed to hate their job once in a while and not be in the mood for it.
"The decision to become a father appears to be another grotesque act of selfishness from Sir Elton who, along with his partner David Furnish, has bought a baby son from a surrogate mother in California for a reputed £100,000"
"The decision to become a father appears to be another grotesque act of selfishness from Sir Elton who, along with his partner David Furnish, has bought a baby son from a surrogate mother in California for a reputed £100,000"
How terrible - it would have been much better if the surrogate mother had received only £2.50 and a couple of signed albums... The last thing they should be doing is paying the medical bills and making sure she's comfortable during her pregnancy.
"In that film, Elton John came across as brilliantly talented — and deservedly so, for he is one of the most gifted musicians and performers of his generation."
You discovered he was a talented musician by watching a film? You are officially the least knowledgeable person on the subject of Elton John I have EVER encountered. There are rural herdsmen in sub-saharan Africa who know more about him than you do. So stop judging him.
"But he was also petulant, spoilt and selfish."
"But he was also petulant, spoilt and selfish."
Well "spoilt" is really when someone else buys you things you haven't earned. Whatever your view of Elton you can't really deny he made his money himself.
"And it is this side of his character that came to mind when I read this week’s news that Sir Elton, 63, and his partner David Furnish, 48, have bought a baby son from a surrogate mother in California for a reputed £100,000."
"And it is this side of his character that came to mind when I read this week’s news that Sir Elton, 63, and his partner David Furnish, 48, have bought a baby son from a surrogate mother in California for a reputed £100,000."
Mmmm - so you heard a gay couple were starting a family and you immediately started to think about negative aspects of their personas? I think that's called prejudice. Well done.
"I have no doubt of the couple’s ‘overwhelming’ happiness and joy at the arrival of their son. I am quite certain that the child’s unorthodox parentage — he was born to an unidentified surrogate mother who had carried the child after being implanted with a donor egg from another mystery woman — will prove no barrier to the love the couple will lavish on him."
"I have no doubt of the couple’s ‘overwhelming’ happiness and joy at the arrival of their son. I am quite certain that the child’s unorthodox parentage — he was born to an unidentified surrogate mother who had carried the child after being implanted with a donor egg from another mystery woman — will prove no barrier to the love the couple will lavish on him."
When you say "unidentified" and "mystery" you mean you don't know who they are don't you? I think David, Elton and when he's older, the child, will be fully aware of these people's identity. And anyway so bloody what?! There are plenty of awful uncaring "orthodox" parents - which incidentally is code for "had a fuck".
"Yet I can’t help feeling that his decision to become a father is another grotesque act of selfishness from Sir Elton, and that the child is a little Christmas bauble he and his partner have awarded themselves. How telling it is that he was born on Christmas Day."
"Yet I can’t help feeling that his decision to become a father is another grotesque act of selfishness from Sir Elton, and that the child is a little Christmas bauble he and his partner have awarded themselves. How telling it is that he was born on Christmas Day."
What evidence do you have for this? One of the two partners once shouted at a documentary camera-man. How does this make them the new Fritzls?
"As far back as 2001 Sir Elton admitted that he was too old for fatherhood, He told the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet: ‘I have come to the conclusion that it is too late for me. Had it been 20 years ago, then I would definitely have done it. I don’t want to be 70 years old when my daughter turns 16.’"
Mmm and he changed his mind. He would be the first person ever. Also this decision was made by two people, not one. If might well be David Furnish who was keen to have a child.
"Yet he will now be 79, not 70, when his son turns 16."
"Yet he will now be 79, not 70, when his son turns 16."
Yes but David Furnish will be only 64. Maths alert!
"It was once his wish to adopt a child, rather than create his own, but can you imagine any respectable agency even contemplating placing a baby with a man who will be collecting his state pension in only 15 months time?"
"It was once his wish to adopt a child, rather than create his own, but can you imagine any respectable agency even contemplating placing a baby with a man who will be collecting his state pension in only 15 months time?"
Well how about one that had a lot of needy children and a shortage of loving homes to place them in. And if you really watched the whole of that film you might have figured out he probably won't need to collect his state pension.
"So why should he be allowed to buy one?"
"So why should he be allowed to buy one?"
He didn't just start bidding for them on ebaby.com... Surrogacy is a long and complicated process, to describe it as "buying a baby" makes it sound like a livestock market. What next: baby futures?
"Sir Elton once admitted that he was too busy for fatherhood and spent too much time travelling."
"Sir Elton once admitted that he was too busy for fatherhood and spent too much time travelling."
And you think we should ban anyone who says they're busy from becoming a parent? Is that it?
"Yet next month he embarks on a 26-date tour of the U.S. and Europe and is unlikely to take his turn on nappy duty. The happy couple will, as normal, host their Oscars party in Hollywood in February."
"Yet next month he embarks on a 26-date tour of the U.S. and Europe and is unlikely to take his turn on nappy duty. The happy couple will, as normal, host their Oscars party in Hollywood in February."
So parents shouldn't work or have parties? OK lets get that one into law shall we? And 26 days is less than a month.
"Perhaps Zachary Jackson Levon Furnish-John will make his first appearance on the red carpet."
"Perhaps Zachary Jackson Levon Furnish-John will make his first appearance on the red carpet."
Right exactly - for all we know Elton plans to spend time with the child during the tour too, he can certainly afford to have him with him if he wants.
"Let me make my position clear. I am a gay man and I believe same sex couples should be allowed to adopt or have their own children — although I think that in ideal circumstances a child should be brought up by a mother and father."
"Let me make my position clear. I am a gay man and I believe same sex couples should be allowed to adopt or have their own children — although I think that in ideal circumstances a child should be brought up by a mother and father."
Not making yourself very clear here. Either you disapprove of same sex couples having children or you believe children should be brought up in settings which are not to your mind "ideal".
"I have two very good male friends who are in a civil partnership and have adopted a little girl. They will make wonderful parents not least because they are absolutely committed to each other, but also because one of them has given up his job to be a full-time parent."
"I have two very good male friends who are in a civil partnership and have adopted a little girl. They will make wonderful parents not least because they are absolutely committed to each other, but also because one of them has given up his job to be a full-time parent."
So these are the new rules - one parent must stay home? And while Elton is touring is there any evidence that David won't be looking after the child? Or is it different rules for anyone you've seen a short film about and taken a dislike to?
"So what of Sir Elton? In many ways, he is to be admired. He has spent millions of pounds of his own money on his Aids foundation. He has successfully battled against drink and drug addiction."
"So what of Sir Elton? In many ways, he is to be admired. He has spent millions of pounds of his own money on his Aids foundation. He has successfully battled against drink and drug addiction."
Indeed, yet you're still judging him based on a brief documentary in which you thought he "flounced".
"The warm public reaction to his civil partnership with David Furnish underlined his status as one of Britain’s most popular singers. He still tops the charts after a career spanning four decades."
But we're just the great British public right? If we like someone we're idiots but if you decide to hate someone because of some aspect of their personal life that's ok?
"But he is also an ageing, pampered, self-indulgent millionaire — look at the absurd names he and Furnish have given the poor child, for heaven’s sake!"
"But he is also an ageing, pampered, self-indulgent millionaire — look at the absurd names he and Furnish have given the poor child, for heaven’s sake!"
The kid's called Zachary. It's a relatively common biblical name. In 2008 it was the 72nd most common boy's name in the UK. In fact it's ideal because names in the top ten can mean kids end up with three in their class at school.
"And it is the nagging suspicion that Elton — a man who is by nature an obsessive — has simply acquired a son to satisfy his latest fixation that I find repellent."
"And it is the nagging suspicion that Elton — a man who is by nature an obsessive — has simply acquired a son to satisfy his latest fixation that I find repellent."
Well if his "fixation" was that he wanted a kid - what better reason to have one. What other reason is there for having a kid? Broken condom? Shortage of chimney-cleaning staff?
"Forget the media circus that will surround this poor little rich boy for the rest of his life."
"Forget the media circus that will surround this poor little rich boy for the rest of his life."
Yes - and what's more Andrew - YOU'RE IT. You are the media circus. Leave them alone.
"What really disturbs me is the selfishness of a world where it’s apparently acceptable for women in their 60s to pay for expensive IVF or for superstars who, in a parody of consumerism, ‘buy’ children from African orphanages as they think the normal rules don’t apply to them."
"What really disturbs me is the selfishness of a world where it’s apparently acceptable for women in their 60s to pay for expensive IVF or for superstars who, in a parody of consumerism, ‘buy’ children from African orphanages as they think the normal rules don’t apply to them."
And the "normal" rules are what exactly? No babies without unprotected sex? Those are dead stupid rules and in no way guarantee quality parenting.
"But those rules — honed over thousands of years — do matter."
On the contrary the idea of people who are not the direct biological parents raising a child has been around for ever. Adopting a child and having a child raised by more distant relatives (grandparents, aunts and uncles, etc) is as old as the hills.
"And Rule Number One is that, by and large, a child needs a loving mother and father."
A child needs one or more loving parents.
"Rule Number Two is that a child needs to know where he or she comes from and what their genetic identity is. Two stories in the Mail this week highlight these truths."
"Rule Number Two is that a child needs to know where he or she comes from and what their genetic identity is. Two stories in the Mail this week highlight these truths."
I'm not sure this child won't know their genetic identity? All we know is that YOU don't know it. And many adopted children decide not to trace their birth parents when the opportunity arrives, I've not seen any evidence to suggest that is a "rule".
"There was a survey published yesterday from the Prince’s Trust, which concluded that young men with no male role models in their lives, and women without a mother figure, are hugely disadvantaged in life."
Firstly we should bear in mind that many of the benefits of having two parents (who for obvious reasons are likely to be one male and one female) are financial. But also this kid has not one but TWO male role models in his life. So presumably he's better off than a lot of kids.
"Then there was the poignant story of Pat Fitzgerald who, wrapped in blankets with a dummy in her mouth, was abandoned on the steps of a Cardiff hotel when she was only five weeks old."
"Then there was the poignant story of Pat Fitzgerald who, wrapped in blankets with a dummy in her mouth, was abandoned on the steps of a Cardiff hotel when she was only five weeks old."
Hankies out...
"Now, 71 years after that act of unimaginable cruelty, Mrs Fitzgerald, in a desperate bid to fill the huge hole in her life, is trying to discover her true identity, even though she was brought up as an only child by devoted adoptive parents."
"Now, 71 years after that act of unimaginable cruelty, Mrs Fitzgerald, in a desperate bid to fill the huge hole in her life, is trying to discover her true identity, even though she was brought up as an only child by devoted adoptive parents."
Right - but lots of adopted children don't feel the urge to do that.
"I ached when I read about the yawning chasm she still feels in her life even though she has four children of her own."
"I ached when I read about the yawning chasm she still feels in her life even though she has four children of her own."
But do we know whether she wouldn't have felt a gaping chasm if she'd been raised by her biological parents? We'd probably want to look at a slightly wider survey than one woman.
"But then I know something of Mrs Fitzgerald’s agony. I was christened Patrick Connolly in Bristol and spent the first two years of my life in a Catholic orphanage in Cheltenham."
"But then I know something of Mrs Fitzgerald’s agony. I was christened Patrick Connolly in Bristol and spent the first two years of my life in a Catholic orphanage in Cheltenham."
Oh and you've picked a single example that backs up your own personal experience. This theory just doesn't say "will pass peer review" to me.
"My birth mother — a single woman — used to visit, but there was no place then for a single mother and her son to be together in the harsh moral climate of Sixties Britain."
"My birth mother — a single woman — used to visit, but there was no place then for a single mother and her son to be together in the harsh moral climate of Sixties Britain."
Yes and your paper is trying to return to that harsh moral climate with its continued attacks on single mothers and the benefits they need.
"My salvation came in the form of a working class married couple. They already had three of their own children, but very little money."
"My salvation came in the form of a working class married couple. They already had three of their own children, but very little money."
Having kids when you've not got much money - the Daily Mail hates that. See this story, now taken down from their website (hopefully for being obnoxious and ludicrous) but available on an archiving site..
"But they had lots of love to give and they travelled to the orphanage for two hours on the bus each weekend. I’m glad they came. They adopted me a couple of months later and I will always be profoundly grateful to them for their love and support."
"But they had lots of love to give and they travelled to the orphanage for two hours on the bus each weekend. I’m glad they came. They adopted me a couple of months later and I will always be profoundly grateful to them for their love and support."
Check the start of your own article you say you have no doubt Elton and David with "lavish" love on their child. I assume "lavish" is homophobic for "give".
"Today, I regard them as my real parents, but I would not be telling the truth if I didn’t admit that I still wonder about my birth mother and father."
"Today, I regard them as my real parents, but I would not be telling the truth if I didn’t admit that I still wonder about my birth mother and father."
Wondering isn't quite the same as feeling a gaping chasm as you claim Mrs Fitzgerald does. So no consistent experience.
"So imagine the demons that could plague Elton John’s little boy with his unconventional parentage. Apart from the surrogate mother carrying the egg of another woman, there’s the question of who’s the father."
"So imagine the demons that could plague Elton John’s little boy with his unconventional parentage. Apart from the surrogate mother carrying the egg of another woman, there’s the question of who’s the father."
Unlike you, this child will be raised by his biological father. So whatever demons he ends up with "why isn't my biological father raising me?" is off the list.
"Just what is Elton going to say to him when he’s a troubled 16-year-old and asks: ‘Daddy, where did I come from?’ Imagine the chasm in that boy’s life."
"Just what is Elton going to say to him when he’s a troubled 16-year-old and asks: ‘Daddy, where did I come from?’ Imagine the chasm in that boy’s life."
Well I'm guess Elton and David will, err, answer the question. Obviously lets not forget Elton will be 235 years old by then so maybe he'll just say "where's me biscuit?"... I mean seriously if you're going to criticise older parents - make the most of it!
"As an adopted gay man, I have no interest in having children of my own — although I don’t denigrate those who want to."
"As an adopted gay man, I have no interest in having children of my own — although I don’t denigrate those who want to."
Yes you do - see every other line in this article.
"Let’s hope Elton John’s son gets the same chances that I had, which had nothing to do with money. My parents had little of that."
"Let’s hope Elton John’s son gets the same chances that I had, which had nothing to do with money. My parents had little of that."
Are you actually claiming only the poor should have children? That's significantly out of line with your paper's editorial policy...
"What they offered instead was the love and support of an ordinary, hard-working couple who were always there for their children."
"What they offered instead was the love and support of an ordinary, hard-working couple who were always there for their children."
Well if they were always there - they weren't as hard-working as all that. You can't be in two places at once.
"How often will Sir Elton be there for his son?"
"How often will Sir Elton be there for his son?"
Well given his enormous wealth and propensity to demand what he wants when he wants it, even if it means walking away from fans and paid work, I'd have to say: as often as he wants to be.
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Thursday, June 03, 2010
Another Event for the Diary
So I'm hosting an event on 17th June for Wandworth Police LGBT liason team. It's a fundraiser and an awareness-raiser for issues around hate crime in the UK. Headlining are Topping and Butch which frankly for a tenner you'd be lucky to see just them let alone the rest of the line-up: Jen Brister, Luke Meredith, Jason Patterson and Toby French as well as some excellent theatre at the start of the night. Book tickets by emailing john.c.frame@met.police.uk.
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Thursday, February 14, 2008
Liberal Life
Just read this - saves me the job of writing it! Johann Hari on Sharia Law.
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