tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8248707.post7289901880587548070..comments2023-08-14T16:35:49.756+01:00Comments on Cruella-blog: Trouble in Comedy-LandCruellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03446805038957924958noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8248707.post-78201205464274398472008-05-06T02:17:00.000+01:002008-05-06T02:17:00.000+01:00Hi. I'm fairly new to blogland - an old white Cana...Hi. I'm fairly new to blogland - an old white Canadian feminist! - and I just found your blog. Love it.<BR/>The very first thing that strikes me when I read the first hand witness acount of this hateful scene is how unsure the writer seems to be about how to describe what has been seen. How to interpret it? When I read it, I don't have any trouble knowing what I am hearing about, that is, the rape of a young woman on a stage. But I have a lot of sympathy for the person who wrote the post. When we see something shocking, when we're witnesses to a crime, our brains sometimes get overloaded and we look to others to help us interpret. I don't suppose it helps that person at all that there is controversy, not over what happened, factually, but also about how it should be interpreted.<BR/>Now transpose that thought over to the behaviour of the young woman. Very likely, the same thing happened to her. From my own experience, it might go something like this: Ah, what's happening, I don't think I like it, I feel uncomfortable. Oh well, I'm in public, I must be safe. He's a celebrity, he wouldn't do anything to hurt me. No one is objecting so it must be ok, they wouldn't let me get hurt, I'm probably overreacting. And so on.<BR/>One doesn't have to be a silly, vulnerable rabbit in the headlights to have that reaction. People react differently in these kinds of situations, and this is quite a common response.Honourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05460865133489382727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8248707.post-70988690450157864642008-05-04T12:28:00.000+01:002008-05-04T12:28:00.000+01:00The idea about PG Tips is a good one. There's noth...The idea about PG Tips is a good one. There's nothing like a kick in the finances to let someone know what's unacceptable. <BR/><BR/>I've just e-mailed Unilever, and I'd encourage as many people as possible to do so. <BR/><BR/>Great f-word blogging by the way.Maisie Middletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066290598582357727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8248707.post-25534411333016652722008-05-03T13:07:00.000+01:002008-05-03T13:07:00.000+01:00Reading the account of what happened, it occured t...Reading the account of what happened, it occured to me that the woman's giggles were likely entirely borne of nerves. I couldn't tell you how many times I've got the giggles at really unfunny moments. To me, that she was giggling means that she was uncomfortable and didn't want to be there.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I'm off to watch a bit of Bill Bailey on YouTube partly because he's a feminist and (more importantly) he's actually funny...Depressohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06904252765633510411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8248707.post-84117849119676293802008-05-02T16:43:00.000+01:002008-05-02T16:43:00.000+01:00The debate on this one seems to have shifted over ...The debate on this one seems to have shifted over to http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/02/trouble-in-comedy-land/#comment-9475<BR/><BR/>(where this was reposted).<BR/><BR/>But feel free to comment here too if you prefer, I respond here more frequently than on repostings. cruCruellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446805038957924958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8248707.post-45579253507105089872008-05-02T13:32:00.000+01:002008-05-02T13:32:00.000+01:00This reminds me of another infamously controversia...This reminds me of another infamously controversial American comedian - A. D. Clay. Remember him & the rage he inspired about & from women? Another major headline-grabber. He also claimed he was just "playing a part."VWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01875869221696200724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8248707.post-10478309724080432682008-05-02T11:46:00.000+01:002008-05-02T11:46:00.000+01:00It is difficult when people do something awful and...It is difficult when people do something awful and gain fame (which we assume to be desirable) from it. Mark Chapman shot John Lennon so that people would remember his name - and I do! Argh! Wish I didn't in many ways.<BR/><BR/>Typically there are two types of notoriety however. There is notoriety for doing something that isn't really all that bad - "it" girls going out with no knickers on, hugh grant throwing baked beans at a photographer, etc, which simply boosts your career. and then there's real notoriety, which means you more or less never work again. Hopefully if we keep the pressure up this is what will happen. One thing you can do is write to PG tips - he is currently the star of their advertising - and ask them to drop him.<BR/><BR/>http://www.pgtips.co.uk/contact/details.aspxCruellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446805038957924958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8248707.post-64061047923619265382008-05-02T03:32:00.000+01:002008-05-02T03:32:00.000+01:00I don't know if this is good or bad - but I just r...I don't know if this is good or bad - but I just read about this on two other feminist blogs. On the one hand it gives this man publicity (hopefully all bad)- but on the other hand it is shining a HUGE spotlight on his absolutely reprehensible behavior.<BR/><BR/>As for the "comic license" argument - I agree with you - that's utterly ridiculous. Are we going to next argue about the artistic merit of so-called "snuf" films? Any attempt to excuse rape is almost as bad as rape itself.VWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01875869221696200724noreply@blogger.com